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NeXT Computer, Inc. => NEXTSTEP / OPENSTEP Software => Topic started by: GRMrGecko on October 10, 2007, 01:39:10 am

Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: GRMrGecko on October 10, 2007, 01:39:10 am
I have been looking for a openstep cd and i can't find one not even a iso download.
Where can i get a copy or iso of OPENSTEP CD?
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: pentium on October 10, 2007, 03:43:09 am
You buy it on ebay.
Chances are that nobody even bothered to rip and produce a torrent of any NeXT media.
We also frown on people downloading it.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: GRMrGecko on October 11, 2007, 11:33:42 pm
Quote from: "pentium"You buy it on ebay.
Chances are that nobody even bothered to rip and produce a torrent of any NeXT media.
We also frown on people downloading it.

I have looked on ebay all i can find is 2 CD Set 750 working NeXT Applications
no installation cds
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: Nitro on October 12, 2007, 04:22:22 am
Rob doesn't appear to be selling OPENSTEP at the moment:

http://stores.ebay.com/Black-Hole-Inc-NeXT-Computers

And yes, asking where to download it is frowned upon.  If you wish to run OPENSTEP on a platform other than original NeXT hardware, then you will have to purchase an original disk.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: GRMrGecko on October 12, 2007, 12:53:12 pm
Quote from: "Nitro"And yes, asking where to download it is frowned upon.  If you wish to run OPENSTEP on a platform other than original NeXT hardware, then you will have to purchase an original disk.

I'm planing to run it in vpc5 on my Mac.
I'm thinking this is software nobody cares about since Apple bought NeXT.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: nextchef on October 12, 2007, 04:02:17 pm
Quote from: "Nitro"Rob doesn't appear to be selling OPENSTEP at the moment:

http://stores.ebay.com/Black-Hole-Inc-NeXT-Computers

And yes, asking where to download it is frowned upon.  If you wish to run OPENSTEP on a platform other than original NeXT hardware, then you will have to purchase an original disk.


Did OPENSTEP ever ship on any black hardware from the factory?  I had thought it was released after NeXT had stopped making hardware.

Chef
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: Nitro on October 12, 2007, 04:28:28 pm
Quote from: "nextchef"Did OPENSTEP ever ship on any black hardware from the factory?  I had thought it was released after NeXT had stopped making hardware.

Chef


That's correct.  NEXTSTEP 3.3 and OPENSTEP 4.2 both shipped after NeXT ceased hardware production.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: RacerX on October 12, 2007, 06:01:11 pm
Quote from: "GRMrGecko"I'm thinking this is software nobody cares about since Apple bought NeXT.

I find in such cases that thinking something isn't as helpful as knowing something. Given that, lets look at the actual history of NeXT software since Apple bought NeXT...I think the fact that Apple continued to sell and support products which are generally thought of as NeXT software through the end of 2000 shows that your statement is completely erroneous. People continued to care about this software long after Apple bought NeXT. And Apple continued to push NeXT products until Apple was able to bring comparable products to market (the release of Rhapsody 5.3 allowed the use of WebObjects and Enterprise Objects on Apple hardware, and WebObjects 4.x allowed the use of OpenStep Enterprise applications to be used on other platforms while running on an Apple product).

If no one cared about NeXT software, why did Apple agree to let Black Hole Inc. continue to make the product available? You can buy legally licensed (with restrictions*) versions of NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP today... more than 10 years after OPENSTEP 4.2 was released.

Further, if this was software nobody cares about, then why are there still people using it today? Why is there this forum for you to ask questions? It seems to me that a lot of people cared about this software long after Apple bought NeXT... including you, since you are here asking about it.



The licenses sold by Black Hole Inc. are for noncommercial usage.[/list]
Title: Where To Buy OpenStep / BlackHole Computers
Post by: SoylentGreen on December 08, 2007, 05:23:13 pm
I'm looking to buy a set of openstep CDs.

I recently purchased a set of openstep cds on eBay from BlackHole computers and they never replied and never shipped.

All email to blackhole bounces and they do not answer the phone.

It looks like blackhole has gone down the black hole.

So does anybody know where to obtain a set of openstep cds.
Title: Re: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on February 20, 2008, 12:25:21 am
Quote from: "GRMrGecko"I have been looking for a openstep cd and i can't find one not even a iso download.
Where can i get a copy or iso of OPENSTEP CD?


I suppose I could rip the ISO images.

I could also rip the Openstep 4.0 Release 1 MECCA that shows the future of Openstep that was never released.
Title: Re: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: pergamon on February 20, 2008, 02:35:10 am
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"I could also rip the Openstep 4.0 Release 1 MECCA that shows the future of Openstep that was never released.


Is this what has been referred to as "NeXTSTEP 4":

http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Videos/ns4beta5.avi


Or is what you have something else?
Title: Re: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: kb7sqi on February 20, 2008, 02:36:17 am
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"
Quote from: "GRMrGecko"I have been looking for a openstep cd and i can't find one not even a iso download.
Where can i get a copy or iso of OPENSTEP CD?


I suppose I could rip the ISO images.

I could also rip the Openstep 4.0 Release 1 MECCA that shows the future of Openstep that was never released.


Hi Marc,
   I'm sure I'm not the only one who would love to have a copy of that.  :D After shutting down my systems for close to a year, I've truly enjoyed using all of them again since I powered everything back up several months ago.  I really missed the elegance of NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP.  Since then, whenever I get the chance, I'll sit down in front of one my systems and enjoy using them.  Am I one of the few people who actually like the old NON-ADB keyboards on the NeXT systems?  I always hated the mouse, but I love the keyboard.  Kinda like the keyboards for the original Mac's upto the Mac Plus.   I hated it when Apple first moved to ADB keyboards.  Oh well,  atleast I still 3 more slabs as backups.  Take care & welcome to the forums!
Title: Re: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: pergamon on February 20, 2008, 06:05:51 am
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"I could also rip the Openstep 4.0 Release 1 MECCA that shows the future of Openstep that was never released.


Actually, I just realized that I've had a set of Openstep 4.0 Prerelease 1 CDs (user + dev) for a long time, but never actually tried installing them.  Is this the same thing as the MECCA version?
Title: Re: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on February 20, 2008, 06:33:49 am
Quote from: "pergamon"
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"I could also rip the Openstep 4.0 Release 1 MECCA that shows the future of Openstep that was never released.


Actually, I just realized that I've had a set of Openstep 4.0 Prerelease 1 CDs (user + dev) for a long time, but never actually tried installing them.  Is this the same thing as the MECCA version?


MECCA is the Openstep that was never released.


(http://www.reanimality.com/hidden/OPENSTEP_beta-Desktop.jpg)

(http://www.reanimality.com/hidden/OPENSTEP_Release4-Prerelease1.png)
Title: Re: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on February 20, 2008, 06:40:35 am
Quote from: "kb7sqi"
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"
Quote from: "GRMrGecko"I have been looking for a openstep cd and i can't find one not even a iso download.
Where can i get a copy or iso of OPENSTEP CD?


I suppose I could rip the ISO images.

I could also rip the Openstep 4.0 Release 1 MECCA that shows the future of Openstep that was never released.


Hi Marc,
   I'm sure I'm not the only one who would love to have a copy of that.  :D After shutting down my systems for close to a year, I've truly enjoyed using all of them again since I powered everything back up several months ago.  I really missed the elegance of NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP.  Since then, whenever I get the chance, I'll sit down in front of one my systems and enjoy using them.  Am I one of the few people who actually like the old NON-ADB keyboards on the NeXT systems?  I always hated the mouse, but I love the keyboard.  Kinda like the keyboards for the original Mac's upto the Mac Plus.   I hated it when Apple first moved to ADB keyboards.  Oh well,  atleast I still 3 more slabs as backups.  Take care & welcome to the forums!


I have recently bought the new slim keyboard from Apple currently running on my Debian Linux box, but I would pay twice if I could get a NeXTStation keyboard [in black of course] from Apple.

Perhaps if I had not left during the chaos I could have been more of a voice for the NeXT crowd. I still find Apple has missed the boat on their goals for growing their developer base and user base.

I'm not an advocate for cloning as it did cannibalize sales, but this current product matrix has a few gaping holes.

One of the current holes I see in the Industry is the pathetic prices for a quality S-IPS display panel.

I've been wanting to buy either a 26in monitor or a couple 22 in monitors and I'm stuck with CRT because the color spectrum is weak for anything under $600 or the quality of text is weak all due to cheap LCD display technology in mass production.

These TN+Film and MVA quality panels are junk. The S-IPS are massively expensive and the PVA panels compromise quality of color.

The Cinema displays are S-IPS but they aren't competitively priced to take out the competition.

I could discuss the Enterprise but Steve gave up on that goal long ago.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: slomacuser on February 20, 2008, 07:40:20 am
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"MECCA is the Openstep that was never released.


(http://www.reanimality.com/hidden/OPENSTEP_beta-Desktop.jpg)

(http://www.reanimality.com/hidden/OPENSTEP_Release4-Prerelease1.png)


I am not for sure for this, but I belive you are wrong. The OPENSTEP never had interface like on the picture above. It was NEXTSTEP beta not OPENSTEP. The OPENSTEP beta user interface was changed to NS 3.3 look a like graphic ... I installed the OPENSTEP 4.0 beta and it looks like OS 4.2 or NS 3.3
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on February 20, 2008, 07:57:29 pm
Quote from: "slomacuser"
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"MECCA is the Openstep that was never released.


(http://www.reanimality.com/hidden/OPENSTEP_beta-Desktop.jpg)

(http://www.reanimality.com/hidden/OPENSTEP_Release4-Prerelease1.png)


I am not for sure for this, but I belive you are wrong. The OPENSTEP never had interface like on the picture above. It was NEXTSTEP beta not OPENSTEP. The OPENSTEP beta user interface was changed to NS 3.3 look a like graphic ... I installed the OPENSTEP 4.0 beta and it looks like OS 4.2 or NS 3.3


I'll bet you $1 Million I'm right.

Why? I worked at NeXT Engineering. That Openstep 4.0 Prerelease 1 is MECCA.

It was during the Prerelease 2 cycle that Steve was introduced WebObjects 1.0 and he canceled focus on Openstep and insisted on keeping the NS 3.3 Interface.

Steve Neeroff [sp?] took over the UI Design when Keith Ohlfs left NeXT after NS 3.3 was released.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on February 20, 2008, 08:00:38 pm
Go to Apple Engineering and ask to see the systems lineup of NeXTSTEP to OS X history. There will be a Black NeXTStation dual PPC Brick that was never released running NS 3.3 and at one time a version of MECCA running on a DEC PC and the ObjectStation 41
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: helf on February 20, 2008, 09:31:58 pm
I want copies of the beta... :) Be fun to play with.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: pergamon on February 20, 2008, 09:43:57 pm
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"That Openstep 4.0 Prerelease 1 is MECCA.


Holy cow, I've had that fabled release sitting under my nose for like 5 years now, and never knew what it was.  Guess what I'll be doing this evening?

And actually, I have an extra (original) copy too ;)
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: nextchef on February 20, 2008, 09:51:15 pm
Quote from: "pergamon"
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"That Openstep 4.0 Prerelease 1 is MECCA.


Holy cow, I've had that fabled release sitting under my nose for like 5 years now, and never knew what it was.  Guess what I'll be doing this evening?

And actually, I have an extra (original) copy too ;)


Well isnt that the way it goes .. so much stuff that you never know what kind of "hidden jems" you have.  Be sure let us know how it works out.


On a related note, welcome to the forums Marc.  It is nice to have someone else here who can shed some more light on this release.

Chef
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: slomacuser on February 20, 2008, 09:52:19 pm
well try it and report ... I am really courious, ...

so who will be the first to share the ISO image ?  :lol:  8)
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: krfkeith on February 20, 2008, 10:53:24 pm
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"Go to Apple Engineering and ask to see the systems lineup of NeXTSTEP to OS X history. There will be a Black NeXTStation dual PPC Brick that was never released running NS 3.3 and at one time a version of MECCA running on a DEC PC and the ObjectStation 41


Are you saying there was a NeXT RISC Workstation that actually worked?
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: neozeed on February 21, 2008, 07:34:30 pm
Quote from: "krfkeith"
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"Go to Apple Engineering and ask to see the systems lineup of NeXTSTEP to OS X history. There will be a Black NeXTStation dual PPC Brick that was never released running NS 3.3 and at one time a version of MECCA running on a DEC PC and the ObjectStation 41


Are you saying there was a NeXT RISC Workstation that actually worked?


Wow so the PPC build was way further along?  It's no wonder Apple jumped on NeXT!  It's such a shame in a way the lenght of development from OSX 1.0 to OSX 10..... But then the wait was well worth it.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: kb7sqi on February 22, 2008, 03:02:23 am
I've heard about the RISC system running NS 3.3 as well.  Besides getting a copy of the Beta above, I personally would love to have a copy of OPENSTEP 4.2 for the HP Gecko's.  I've seen several references to it over the years.  I know it was never released officially.  But if you try to boot on OPENSTEP 4.2 User cd, the HP boot loader is still there.   :D
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: krfkeith on February 22, 2008, 03:07:27 am
Ooh, yeah that would be nice!
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: kb7sqi on February 22, 2008, 03:19:38 am
Besides using an x86 system because of speed, I think the HP's make the next best NEXTSTEP system.  They're nice.  I love my 100 Mhz Gecko, along w/ my 110 Mhz Sparc 5, & 2 running NeXT Turbo Slabs. 1 Mono/1 Color.  :wink:   Sure there's quite a few things that weren't published for HPPA/Sparc, but I've re-compiled quite a few apps for them if the source was available.   Each system has their own quirks.  I'll keep them going till they stop working. Take care.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on February 25, 2008, 07:23:41 pm
Quote from: "kb7sqi"I've heard about the RISC system running NS 3.3 as well.  Besides getting a copy of the Beta above, I personally would love to have a copy of OPENSTEP 4.2 for the HP Gecko's.  I've seen several references to it over the years.  I know it was never released officially.  But if you try to boot on OPENSTEP 4.2 User cd, the HP boot loader is still there.   :D


I have the copy of Openstep 4.2 User/Developer PR2 that became the final GM bits during the merger.

Who has host space for Openstep 4 Beta and 4.2?
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: slomacuser on February 25, 2008, 08:53:23 pm
well, I dont think RacerX  :wink: would like to see or hear this ... anyway I already gave you my space for OPENSTEP Beta ...
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: kb7sqi on February 25, 2008, 09:34:53 pm
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"
Quote from: "kb7sqi"I've heard about the RISC system running NS 3.3 as well.  Besides getting a copy of the Beta above, I personally would love to have a copy of OPENSTEP 4.2 for the HP Gecko's.  I've seen several references to it over the years.  I know it was never released officially.  But if you try to boot on OPENSTEP 4.2 User cd, the HP boot loader is still there.   :D


I have the copy of Openstep 4.2 User/Developer PR2 that became the final GM bits during the merger.

Who has host space for Openstep 4 Beta and 4.2?


You're starting to give me hopes of seeing OPENSTEP on my Gecko!  8)  Sure, I still wouldn't have OmniWeb 3.x but I think I could live w/ that.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: RacerX on February 26, 2008, 05:57:31 am
Quote from: "slomacuser"well, I dont think RacerX  :wink: would like to see or hear this ... anyway I already gave you my space for OPENSTEP Beta ...

:shock: Did I say anything?

I just can't afford to be directly associated with this type of stuff... Apple is my bread and butter, so I need to stay on the up and up with everything.

:roll:

Besides, I'm thinking about asking Apple to let me sell NEXTSTEP 3.3, OPENSTEP 4.2 and Mac OS X Server 1.2 (similar to the agreement that Black Hole has), so the last thing I want is any question as to my standing on warez.

That having been said, I'm still curious to see what you guys find out about this stuff.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on February 26, 2008, 07:26:29 am
Quote from: "slomacuser"well, I dont think RacerX  :wink: would like to see or hear this ... anyway I already gave you my space for OPENSTEP Beta ...


You're correct and I'm testing ISO images currently.

However, the more available archives the merrier.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on February 26, 2008, 07:27:40 am
Quote from: "RacerX"
Quote from: "slomacuser"well, I dont think RacerX  :wink: would like to see or hear this ... anyway I already gave you my space for OPENSTEP Beta ...

:shock: Did I say anything?

I just can't afford to be directly associated with this type of stuff... Apple is my bread and butter, so I need to stay on the up and up with everything.

:roll:

Besides, I'm thinking about asking Apple to let me sell NEXTSTEP 3.3, OPENSTEP 4.2 and Mac OS X Server 1.2 (similar to the agreement that Black Hole has), so the last thing I want is any question as to my standing on warez.

That having been said, I'm still curious to see what you guys find out about this stuff.


There is no support for Openstep, NeXTSTEP nor beta software in MECCA.

Apple won't be on your bum if this is for individual non-resale use.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on February 26, 2008, 07:32:18 am
Note: Seeing as how some of us at NeXT were royally "dicked" during the merger I'm not personally in a mood to be NDA loving seeing as my NDA long ago expired and the lack of actual salary reviews that never came for nearly 2 years ended my desire to be sheepish towards the inner sanctum.

It's taken 11 years since our last NeXT meeting in Redwood City, CA and the OS is still not where Steve, Avie, Peter, Ali, Scott Forstall and others discussed during this meeting and subsequent meetings.

If I have to see another "innovative" pocket video player as the next wave of Apple hardware I think I'll start a blog on how reinventing the wheel has become the norm inside Apple versus moving the markets forward.

We were to have an SMP kernel with a minimum 32 CPUs supported shortly after the merger.

I think someone was on some wonderful Bullshit when they hyped this distortion up.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: helf on February 26, 2008, 08:42:00 pm
I wish they had kept with a simple UI like NS/OS have and all. OSX is a weird bastardization of the OS :(

It's too fricken flashy.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on February 28, 2008, 01:47:53 am
Quote from: "helf"I wish they had kept with a simple UI like NS/OS have and all. OSX is a weird bastardization of the OS :(

It's too fricken flashy.


Let me just say that I never saw so many whiny brats working for such a talented company as Apple during those painful days on how the Operating System would look.

We tried to get Keith Ohlfs back but he was tied to heavy stock options at Microsoft during the WebTV buyout and couldn't just let that go.

Tim Wasko did a great job to pick up the slack, but there is only one Keith Olhfs.

Something else that made Keith so unique was that he was able to get people to work around his vision and not have fight after fight over icons.

You'd have to have been there in the Restaurant the day Steve settled upon the "Think Different" campaign.

You had people bitching about it not being grammatically correct and ignoring the vision behind it.

He compared it to Nike's Just Do It, or the Dairy Industry Got Milk campaign [and had to mock it by noting that Milk was never very healthy for you and he uses orange juice in his morning granola, by I digress].
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on February 28, 2008, 01:52:58 am
This is what I've made so far:

Openstep4.2-Pr2User.iso [461.5 MB]
Openstep4.2-Pr2Developer.iso [412 MB]
Openstep4-Pr1User.iso [445.4 MB]
Openstep4-Pr1Developer.iso [355.1 MB]

I've got to get the boot floppies for 4.0 tar.gz'd up.

There is an

OPENSTEP
Release 4.0
m68K installation
Prerelease 1
Disk#1 of 1

OPENSTEP
Release 4.0
Intel installation
Prerelease 1
Disk#1 of 1

OPENSTEP
Release 4.0
Intel Drivers
Prerelease 1
Disk#1 of 1
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: pentium on February 28, 2008, 01:58:35 am
Pardon me for being out of the circle but what's going on?
Someone mentioned the word beta and the rest flew over my head.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: kb7sqi on February 28, 2008, 03:00:54 am
You know, one thing I hadn't even thought about while discussing OPENSTEP 4.2 for the Gecko,  if you have the developer, that means I should be able to get a newer compiler to work for NEXTSTEP 3.3!  :D  Even 2.7.2.1 would be better than 2.5.8 for quite a few things.  Like OpenSSH being a major one.  I can compile 4.7p1 on OPENSTEP, but it don't like 2.5.8 on NEXTSTEP.  That'd make life a little easier.  Ok, now I'm really interested.  8)
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: krfkeith on February 28, 2008, 03:11:08 am
so where are you storing these?
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on February 28, 2008, 08:31:06 pm
I've uploaded 4.0Pr1 User.

I'm responding to others who want to host. It's just a matter of bandwidth and time for them to be uploaded.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: kb7sqi on February 29, 2008, 01:25:40 am
Marc,
  I just wanted to say thanks again for bringing some great background info from NeXT to the forums.  As long as I've had my systems now, I love still learning new things about them.   :D
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on February 29, 2008, 07:17:10 am
If you want to host these, just message me and I'll upload them.

P.S. You're welcome. I've got quite a few interesting moments I could recall.

P.P.S. By comparison, NeXT with its roughly 300 employees was just the right size of company to work in. Great people, very open, honest and brilliant co-workers.

Lots of good looking women who aren't stuck on themselves and very outgoing. Great, down to earth folks.

Apple was my second favorite place to work and if I had given it more time probably just barely behind NeXT. Going broke just forced my hand during a divorce.

- Marc
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: kb7sqi on March 01, 2008, 05:18:43 am
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"If you want to host these, just message me and I'll upload them.

P.S. You're welcome. I've got quite a few interesting moments I could recall.

P.P.S. By comparison, NeXT with its roughly 300 employees was just the right size of company to work in. Great people, very open, honest and brilliant co-workers.

Lots of good looking women who aren't stuck on themselves and very outgoing. Great, down to earth folks.

Apple was my second favorite place to work and if I had given it more time probably just barely behind NeXT. Going broke just forced my hand during a divorce.

- Marc


Hey Marc,
    I'll shoot you an email tomorrow.  Over the years, I've been offered countless jobs working on OPENSTEP.  But I didn't think it be anything long term so I eventually became a Sun SSE.  I'm sure life would be alot different, but I enjoy my job for the most part & do enjoy Solaris besides working w/ NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/Mac OSX.  :D  I can just imagine how fun it would've been working @ NeXT back in the hey day.  I probably would've never left the office. rofl.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: battery on March 04, 2008, 02:55:18 am
so where are these being uploaded? I've been looking for openstep for a long while fruitlessly. I'd love to get my hands on it again!  :D
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on March 11, 2008, 10:02:24 pm
They've been uploaded. A corrected OS 4 Pr1 User has been uploaded as well.

kb7sqi is hosting them.

I believe he's listed them.

Also, other sections in this site have the 4.2 isos.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: qianwan1999 on May 09, 2008, 03:31:47 am
where to download the openstep 4.2,thanks?
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: kvitske on July 13, 2008, 06:54:04 pm
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"They've been uploaded. A corrected OS 4 Pr1 User has been uploaded as well.

kb7sqi is hosting them.

I believe he's listed them.

Also, other sections in this site have the 4.2 isos.


Part of the download page from www.kb7sqi.com seems to be password protected. Is there any way to download the iso's?

I have NeXTSTEP 3.3, but I'd love to see other versions as well...

Thank you!
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: nextstepper on October 10, 2008, 09:25:32 am
Quote from: kvitske
Quote from: mdriftmeyerThey've been uploaded. A corrected OS 4 Pr1 User has been uploaded as well.

kb7sqi is hosting them.

I believe he's listed them.

Also, other sections in this site have the 4.2 isos.


Part of the download page from www.kb7sqi.com seems to be password protected. Is there any way to download the iso's?

I have NeXTSTEP 3.3, but I'd love to see other versions as well...

Thank you!



Hi kb7sqi

please can you send me the uid and pwd for the ISO directory?
many thanks,
hannes
Title: Uid/ pwd
Post by: s6275 on March 05, 2009, 10:01:05 pm
How do we go about getting login info?  Is PM the recommended method, or is there some other way?
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: lowell on April 23, 2009, 01:12:53 pm
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"If you want to host these, just message me and I'll upload them.

- Marc


I checked Marc's profile and he hasn't posted in almost a year; I was going to ask if he minded an additional host for the files. I'm looking for just the Developer CD, and since I can't find it either at eBay or BH, I'd try here. I've got plenty of bandwidth and space for the hosting which I can offer in return. Got to keep NS/OS/R alive, somehow. Is there anyone here that has the files he uploaded and doesn't mind splitting the hosting load?
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on April 28, 2009, 11:22:11 pm
Quote from: "lowell"
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"If you want to host these, just message me and I'll upload them.

- Marc


I checked Marc's profile and he hasn't posted in almost a year; I was going to ask if he minded an additional host for the files. I'm looking for just the Developer CD, and since I can't find it either at eBay or BH, I'd try here. I've got plenty of bandwidth and space for the hosting which I can offer in return. Got to keep NS/OS/R alive, somehow. Is there anyone here that has the files he uploaded and doesn't mind splitting the hosting load?


Check your PM box. I'll give you the User CD to host once you have downloaded the Dev CD.

- Marc
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: slynce on April 29, 2009, 05:31:12 am
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"
Quote from: "lowell"
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"If you want to host these, just message me and I'll upload them.

- Marc


I checked Marc's profile and he hasn't posted in almost a year; I was going to ask if he minded an additional host for the files. I'm looking for just the Developer CD, and since I can't find it either at eBay or BH, I'd try here. I've got plenty of bandwidth and space for the hosting which I can offer in return. Got to keep NS/OS/R alive, somehow. Is there anyone here that has the files he uploaded and doesn't mind splitting the hosting load?


Check your PM box. I'll give you the User CD to host once you have downloaded the Dev CD.

- Marc

Hi ,
do the lines above mean that we'd be able to download the Developer CD soon from where you host (or will host) it or you are talking about private hosting of it with download restrictions as in kb7sqi's site?
I've got a VMware OpenStep 4.2 (virtual machine) and would like to install the Developer software to try to create some databased app ;)
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on April 29, 2009, 08:00:02 am
Quote from: "slynce"
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"
Quote from: "lowell"
Quote from: "mdriftmeyer"If you want to host these, just message me and I'll upload them.

- Marc


I checked Marc's profile and he hasn't posted in almost a year; I was going to ask if he minded an additional host for the files. I'm looking for just the Developer CD, and since I can't find it either at eBay or BH, I'd try here. I've got plenty of bandwidth and space for the hosting which I can offer in return. Got to keep NS/OS/R alive, somehow. Is there anyone here that has the files he uploaded and doesn't mind splitting the hosting load?


Check your PM box. I'll give you the User CD to host once you have downloaded the Dev CD.

- Marc

Hi ,
do the lines above mean that we'd be able to download the Developer CD soon from where you host (or will host) it or you are talking about private hosting of it with download restrictions as in kb7sqi's site?
I've got a VMware OpenStep 4.2 (virtual machine) and would like to install the Developer software to try to create some databased app ;)


The person who contacted me offered to host them. I won't host them but I most certainly have no problem getting them out to people who will, in hopes that some sort of permutation of host space would emerge and thus one would have half a dozen places to get them.

- Marc
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: kb7sqi on April 29, 2009, 04:45:20 pm
Hi all,
  Been a while.  Works been extremely busy the last few months.  Sorry!  I wanted to say something though about "my download restrictions."  Remember I host the sftp server & web server on my own systems.  While people are almost always sucking everything off the sftp/web server, I have to try to work at the same time.  I need my bandwidth like everyone else!  If someone has a problem w/ the bandwidth caps on the sftp server, I hate to tell ya, but TOUGH!  The only thing I've asked of people is show some restraint & not try to download everything all in one or two sessions, yet people continue to try to do it anyway.  I know several folks have got to have complete mirrors of the sftp & the web server.  I keep logs, I know people frequently mirror them both.  If someone else is willing to host them, go ahead, I don't have any problems w/ that. :-)
   If someone's requested access to the sftp server & I haven't gotten back to you, sorry  I'm not ignoring you.  I've been busy working.  I'll get back to you when I have time.  
    I think most people here know I love my NeXT systems as much as anyone else here.  I love to still try to compile stuff when I get a chance and I love visiting these forums, but if I get more emails w/ complaints about the sftp server.  I'll close it for good.  Sorry, I just don't have time to deal w/ the hassle.  I hope everyone is doing well!  Take care.
     Marc, glad to see ya back on the forums btw. :-)  I'd forgot to pm you but I did have a few people state that the MECCA floppy images are corrupt.  If/When you have time could you re-upload them.  If you drop them in the incoming folder, I'll move them over to where they belong.  Thanks & I apologize for my tone.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: kb7sqi on April 29, 2009, 08:07:43 pm
Just a follow upto my previous post.  If I offended anyone, I apologize.  My comments weren't directed any one person.  Sometimes I get anywhere from 1-30 requests a week for access to the my server.  I don't mind giving access, etc.  Everyone here know's I've never minded hosting stuff for the forums w/ in reason like not hosting Helf's 4+ gig DVD image any longer.  Sorry helf! ;-)  It's one of the ways I try to give back to this small great community.  We all love our NeXT systems! ;-)  I do however have a problem w/ someone complaining about what I do/don't provide.  It wasn't posted here on the forums, it was in some emails I had received.  I just want to make sure it was clear.  I won't mention names/nicks.  I really don't think they were member of the forums, just a passer by.  The caps on bandwidth, the limit of one connection per IP, & the max of three people connected to the sftp server stay in place.  Other than that, I place no restriction on what's uploaded/downloaded.  Take care!
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: niteshooter on April 29, 2009, 09:48:04 pm
Hi Steve, thanks for hosting the ISO's.

You sent me a user ID and PW but I've never been able to get it to work. If you get a chance could you pm me here again please.

Thanks

Kevin
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: kb7sqi on April 30, 2009, 04:31:12 am
Quote from: niteshooterHi Steve, thanks for hosting the ISO's.

You sent me a user ID and PW but I've never been able to get it to work. If you get a chance could you pm me here again please.

Thanks

Kevin

Hi Kevin,
   The username/password I sent you were correct.  If you're having a problem w/ Cyberduck, under the GENERAL settings, make sure you have the setting for Transfer Files: to Use browser connection instead of Open New Connection.  That should solve your problems.  You're limited to 1 connection per IP, so you can't "open a new connection."  Let me know if that takes care of it.  Take care.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: lowell on May 03, 2009, 03:24:47 am
https://s3.amazonaws.com/next-archive/openstep42-user.tgz
https://s3.amazonaws.com/next-archive/openstep42-developer.tgz

Hey everyone, as promised, here are the two openstep CDs. The User archive contains both the ISO and the floppy images required for booting.

The link will change as it's a temporary location - I just wanted to get them back up as quick as I could since Marc went out of his way for me.

The NS33 CDs will follow as will preinstalled VMWare Fusion environments of each.

For now, I'd appreciate if the the links weren't shared beyond this forum (I can't set up redirects for when the location is final since I don't own amazonaws.com) but I won't do anything if you do.

...
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: armus2112 on May 03, 2009, 03:44:37 am
lowell:  you rock, thanks!

armus2112
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: mdriftmeyer on May 03, 2009, 07:17:41 am
Quote from: "kb7sqi"Hi all,
  Been a while.  Works been extremely busy the last few months.  Sorry!  I wanted to say something though about "my download restrictions."  Remember I host the sftp server & web server on my own systems.  While people are almost always sucking everything off the sftp/web server, I have to try to work at the same time.  I need my bandwidth like everyone else!  If someone has a problem w/ the bandwidth caps on the sftp server, I hate to tell ya, but TOUGH!  The only thing I've asked of people is show some restraint & not try to download everything all in one or two sessions, yet people continue to try to do it anyway.  I know several folks have got to have complete mirrors of the sftp & the web server.  I keep logs, I know people frequently mirror them both.  If someone else is willing to host them, go ahead, I don't have any problems w/ that. :-)
   If someone's requested access to the sftp server & I haven't gotten back to you, sorry  I'm not ignoring you.  I've been busy working.  I'll get back to you when I have time.  
    I think most people here know I love my NeXT systems as much as anyone else here.  I love to still try to compile stuff when I get a chance and I love visiting these forums, but if I get more emails w/ complaints about the sftp server.  I'll close it for good.  Sorry, I just don't have time to deal w/ the hassle.  I hope everyone is doing well!  Take care.
     Marc, glad to see ya back on the forums btw. :-)  I'd forgot to pm you but I did have a few people state that the MECCA floppy images are corrupt.  If/When you have time could you re-upload them.  If you drop them in the incoming folder, I'll move them over to where they belong.  Thanks & I apologize for my tone.


No problemo. I'll drop them in there.

- Marc
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: pentium on May 03, 2009, 07:12:24 pm
Quote from: "lowell"https://s3.amazonaws.com/next-archive/openstep42-user.tgz
https://s3.amazonaws.com/next-archive/openstep42-developer.tgz

Hey everyone, as promised, here are the two openstep CDs. The User archive contains both the ISO and the floppy images required for booting.

The link will change as it's a temporary location - I just wanted to get them back up as quick as I could since Marc went out of his way for me.

The NS33 CDs will follow as will preinstalled VMWare Fusion environments of each.

For now, I'd appreciate if the the links weren't shared beyond this forum (I can't set up redirects for when the location is final since I don't own amazonaws.com) but I won't do anything if you do.

...



Did you just move the files? I was midway through the download when they stopped.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: lowell on May 03, 2009, 07:24:29 pm
Quote from: "pentium"

Did you just move the files? I was midway through the download when they stopped.


no.. amazon likely had a little hiccup is all.. whatever it was, it looks resolved - i'm able to start a download on my end.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: armus2112 on May 03, 2009, 07:25:01 pm
files are there right now (3:24pm est).  I grabbed them and can provide if you need.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: pentium on May 03, 2009, 10:31:32 pm
Well if someone else can supply them I would appreciate it as the downloads keep freezing and failing on me in the same place.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: dai_vernon on May 03, 2009, 11:01:43 pm
I could make a torrent, would that work?  I am also talking to some friends that have servers running to see if they could be arsed to help.  My server currently isn't on a network :S
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: pentium on May 04, 2009, 12:12:25 am
Sure, that would work as I'm planning on setting up a torrent server later this year.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: armus2112 on May 04, 2009, 12:25:27 am
I created a torrent for the OpenStep 4.2 media (user CD + dev CD) at this private tracker:
http://currygoat11.myftp.org:6969

be patient as sometimes the torrent takes a while to get goin
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: dai_vernon on May 04, 2009, 12:43:11 am
I will put my seedbox on that for as long as possible
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: ebann on February 15, 2011, 03:11:30 am
Any chance I could get my hands on OPENSTEP Enterprise (I.e. For Windows NT)?  I read somewhere that it works in Windows 2000 and Vista too!
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: jonhoops on February 17, 2011, 10:42:08 am
I am in the process of sorting all my old Next stuff and think I may have a copy of Openstep Enterprise.  I will let you know in a day or two.
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: ebann on February 17, 2011, 01:56:29 pm
Quote from: "jonhoops"I am in the process of sorting all my old Next stuff and think I may have a copy of Openstep Enterprise.  I will let you know in a day or two.


Thank you!

Since you're at it, OS4.2 for Sun/Sparc USER and DEV would also be welcome... I'm scavenging for a SPARCstation 5 or 10, whichever comes my way!

edit: nevermind... didn't know that the OS4.2 media, all platforms have been combined into a single installation CD with tri-fat binaries (IIRC, HP-PA was dropped as a platform for OPENSTEP).
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: jonhoops on March 02, 2011, 02:52:53 am
Found the cd of openstep enterprise.  email me your address and I can mail it to you.  i could also see if I can make an image of it and put it up on my idisk.

jonhoops at mac dot com
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: benj007 on October 26, 2011, 12:17:27 pm
Hi everybody,

I'm looking for OpenStep 4.2 User and Developer ISO files.

I'm starting to be interested by this system as well as the NextStep 3.3 and so I found this board which now gives me a chance to talk about that :)

I took a look on Ebay but no OpenStep CDs to sell at all.

If anyone has both user and developer iso files, please let me know.

Thanks in advance :)
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: armus2112 on October 27, 2011, 03:07:38 am
try:

http://www.demonoid.me/files/?query=openstep
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: benj007 on November 03, 2011, 11:52:50 pm
thanks for your help :)
Title: Where To Get OPENSTEP
Post by: hunterkll on December 15, 2011, 09:30:19 am
I've noticed I've been following a lot of dead links and a lot of dead torrents in my hunt for software! :) Would anyone like me to open up an FTP server with gobs of storage space to let people upload copies of software? That way, i'd also be able to seed the torrents off of it ....