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Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: eagle on March 21, 2014, 01:49:48 am
Hi, all.

I'm wondering if anyone has had any success with installing NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous.  I made a copy of my NS3.0 CD by running the following command:

[eagle@franklin:1455:/Volumes/FWDrobo/Emulation/NeXT/Previous/NeXT stuff/NeXT HD]sudo dd if=/dev/disk3s0 of=../NeXT\ OS/NS30.iso bs=1024
Password:
675090+0 records in
675090+0 records out
691292160 bytes transferred in 540.556540 secs (1278853 bytes/sec)
[eagle@franklin:1456:/Volumes/FWDrobo/Emulation/NeXT/Previous/NeXT stuff/NeXT HD]


Unfortunately, when I connect that image to Previous, it says that the disk is not recognized and it offers to initialize it for me.  I decline.

Has anyone else had success in installing this?  Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks.
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: mikeboss on March 21, 2014, 08:27:58 am
you're on OS X, right?

I think you should try dd if=/dev/rdisk3 of=/path/NS30.iso bs=2048
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: eagle on March 21, 2014, 11:20:24 am
Thanks.  I have tried 512, 1024, and 2048.  The resulting files have exactly the same md5 checksum:

[eagle@franklin:1479:/Volumes/FWDrobo/Emulation/NeXT/Previous/NeXT stuff/NeXT OS]md5 NS30*iso
MD5 (NS30-2048.iso) = 5fe72e048953c1b88cae2a523729ff02
MD5 (NS30-512.iso) = 5fe72e048953c1b88cae2a523729ff02
MD5 (NS30.iso) = 5fe72e048953c1b88cae2a523729ff02
[eagle@franklin:1480:/Volumes/FWDrobo/Emulation/NeXT/Previous/NeXT stuff/NeXT OS]


So far no joy. :(
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: mikeboss on March 21, 2014, 11:24:13 am
did you try to use if=/dev/rdisk3 as source (instead of /dev/disk3s0)? I don't think that the blocksize matters anyway...
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: eagle on March 21, 2014, 11:27:14 am
I didn't try that; I got the disk ID from Disk Utility.

Anyway, I think the deal is that you need to install the CD Tools first: once I did that, now the boot sequence sees the CD properly: it's reporting as 659MB.

Unfortunately it boots with network on, so you first need to boot into single user mode to turn it off (can't press Control-C).  And... :( ... my first attempt at booting into single user mode failed.  I need to get to work, so I'll try this later.
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: andreas_g on March 21, 2014, 11:30:49 am
Did you try wih branch_mmu? Control-C should work there.
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: eagle on March 21, 2014, 11:47:09 am
Hi Andreas.  I have not switched to branch_mmu, because I don't know enough about subversion to be able to do that. :)  Can you let me know what the command would be?  I can recompile it after that, but I am not sure how to check out that branch, nor am I sure how to switch back to the master/main branch after I do that.  Thanks.

Edit: I tried this, and it seems like it might be the correct command:
[eagle@franklin:1421:/Users/eagle/Source/previous-code]svn sw svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/previous/code/branches/branch_mmu .
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: protocol7 on March 21, 2014, 01:16:56 pm
To checkout branch_mmu:

svn checkout svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/previous/code/branches/branch_mmu previous-branch

And to checkout the regular trunk:

svn checkout svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/previous/code/trunk previous-trunk
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: eagle on March 21, 2014, 01:27:14 pm
As I write this, NS3.0 is installing in Previous.

You need a working 2.x system.  You need to set a password for users me and root, so that you can log in as root.  Then, you install the CD driver in the NS2.x install using the floppy disc, then reboot.  I chose to update /etc/hostconfig before rebooting so I didn't have to deal with the Control-C issue.  When you reboot back into 2.x, NS2.x does see the CD-ROM, and you can run the Updater.app from the CD.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13208710/NeXT/NS3.0_in_Previous.png)
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: eagle on March 21, 2014, 01:53:39 pm
And.... it's done.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13208710/NeXT/NS30.png)
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: eagle on March 22, 2014, 09:46:53 pm
Now I see what you guys were telling me: the 3.0 floppy disk is a bootable disk, and it boots the CD-ROM.  I am reinstalling now, for a fresh install of 3.0.
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: cbrunschen on March 01, 2017, 03:34:43 pm
Quote from: "eagle"Now I see what you guys were telling me: the 3.0 floppy disk is a bootable disk, and it boots the CD-ROM.  I am reinstalling now, for a fresh install of 3.0.


I'd love to do a similar install myself; does anyone have a 3.0 installation CD & floppy, or even better, CD & floppy images ?

Best wishes,

// Christian
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: bobo68 on March 01, 2017, 09:41:36 pm
Images of boot floppies can be found right around the corner  http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Software/NEXTSTEP/Floppy_Images/ or here http://www.shawcomputing.net/resources/next/hardware/boot_floppies/boot_floppies.html
CD images: https://winworldpc.com/product/nextstep[/url] (there are even HD images here with Previous).

Aren't you employed at Google, just use it! 8)
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: mikeboss on March 02, 2017, 10:04:38 am
christian is specifically looking for the NS 3.0 ISO and so far, this seems not to be available anywhere... I don't have it either. I'm pretty sure that I created the 3.0 disk image from a running 3.0 harddrive or optical disk.
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: t-rexky on March 02, 2017, 10:34:36 am
I might have 3.0 CD, but will need to check.  Cannot remember if it's 3.0 or 3.1.
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: bobo68 on March 02, 2017, 05:24:05 pm
Oops, sorry. There is a NS 3.0 HD image at winworldpc:  https://winworldpc.com/download/B4DFB69D-533E-11E4-A90F-7054D21A8599
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: SlateBlue on March 02, 2017, 05:40:39 pm
I might have a 3.0 CD, too. I'll check my stash in case t-rexky doesn't have one.
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: cbrunschen on October 06, 2017, 09:30:58 am
I've found my NeXTSTEP 3 CD & floppy! I've also dumped them so I could upload them somewhere useful. Suggestions?
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: t-rexky on October 06, 2017, 09:51:21 am
I apologize that I was unable to check.  No time here whatsoever...
Title: NeXTSTEP 3.0 in Previous
Post by: cbrunschen on October 06, 2017, 10:19:35 am
Quote from: "t-rexky"I apologize that I was unable to check.  No time here whatsoever...


No worries. As I said, I found mine, so problem solved :)