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NeXT Computer, Inc. => NEXTSTEP / OPENSTEP Software => Topic started by: madcrow on January 30, 2007, 04:25:30 pm

Title: "Mixed" User/Developer version: Possible?
Post by: madcrow on January 30, 2007, 04:25:30 pm
Now that I've been playing around with the stuff available to me in a pre-compiled form for a while, I'm impressed and want more. There seems to be a lot of cool stuff on the fabled Fall '92 Educational Sampler, but sadly it all seems to be m68k-only (PC NS didn't even exist at that point yet, did it) Luckily, most of the stuff seems to be available in sourcecode format. Unfortunanely, I don't have the Developer CD for 4.2, just the User CD. I do, however, have a 3.3 Developer CD. Would it be safe (and useful) to use the 3.3 development environment with 4.2 or is that a no-go? I can always set up a 3.3 VM if need be...

Also, where on the 3.3 CD is the Shakespeare library? I can't find it to copy over to my 4.2 setup.
Title: Re: "Mixed" User/Developer version: Possible?
Post by: RacerX on February 01, 2007, 06:40:38 am
Quote from: "madcrow"Unfortunanely, I don't have the Developer CD for 4.2, just the User CD. I do, however, have a 3.3 Developer CD. Would it be safe (and useful) to use the 3.3 development environment with 4.2 or is that a no-go? I can always set up a 3.3 VM if need be...

I know that 3.x Developer would work with any 3.x User, and the 4.x developer should work with any 4.x User, but I'm not sure if 3.3 Developer would have problems with 4.2 User.

I would guess that even if you get in to install, you'd be limited it what types of apps you could build (not sure you would have any more access to OpenStep stuff than what was present in the 3.3 Developer Tools to begin with... which wasn't much). I don't think that OPENSTEP would stop working or not run the tools from 3.3, but beyond that it is pretty much anyone's guess.

As I recall, I think it might work because the Developer Tool disks were so expensive that it wasn't realistic for most people to drop $5000 with each new version of the User releases.

QuoteAlso, where on the 3.3 CD is the Shakespeare library? I can't find it to copy over to my 4.2 setup.

It may have been in NextLibrary? Maybe in a folder called bookshelves? I'd have to get my NEXTSTEP disks out of storage to be sure.

I went through all my NEXTSTEP CDs and grabbed parts that were missing in OPENSTEP and put them all onto a CD by themselves to always have them handy. I don't recall it being that hard to find the stuff though.
Title: "Mixed" User/Developer version: Possible?
Post by: winfried on February 02, 2007, 03:50:26 pm
The Shakespeare lib was not part of NS 3.3. I don't know, at which version they stopped distributing this.

Regarding the developer CD: I think, it will work. There was a description available on the net, how to use NS3.3 and OS4.2 developer environment side by side (cause you can't compile NS stuff with OS, there where many changes within the classes, mainly changing the NX prefix to NS). Try installing the packages and see, if you can get things working.
Title: "Mixed" User/Developer version: Possible?
Post by: madcrow on February 02, 2007, 07:03:11 pm
Cool. It looks like I should seek out that tutorial. Frankly, I'd rather be able to build 3.3 binaries (which run on all Intel NeXTs) than 4.2-only binaries any way.

Now I just need a good objective c/nextstep tutorial? Anything good avaialable online?
Title: "Mixed" User/Developer version: Possible?
Post by: Mike_H on February 02, 2007, 07:37:15 pm
Quote from: "madcrow"Now I just need a good objective c/nextstep tutorial? Anything good avaialable online?


Simson Garfinkel has a PDF online of a book he co-authored.

http://www.simson.net/ref/1993/NeXTSTEP3.0.pdf