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mrintel



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:07 am    Post subject: Copland Reply with quote

Ok, I know that this is a NeXT forum, but since it had an Apple section (and me being the curious type), I had to ask...
What does everyone know about Copland?
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domiel



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not much except that I'd like to lay my hands on a copy Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They never really had much working from what I've read. There were some developer versions that only ran on particular models and weren't even nearly stable or usable.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In august 1996 ‘Developer Release 0′ was sent to a small number of partners but was unstable, crashing and unusuable for development.

http://appledifferent.com/wordpress/2009/03/26/copland-mac-os-that-never-was/
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mrintel



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I have both versions (DR0 and DR1). I was just wondering what people knew about Copland
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrintel wrote:
Well, I have both versions (DR0 and DR1). I was just wondering what people knew about Copland

Well, its predecessor, Taligent, produced an object-oriented programming book I never found useful. Not certain how much of that carried into Copland. Would also be interested in hearing more...
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mrintel



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

was there ever a release for Taligent?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think Taligent (aka "Pink") really got off the ground.

I was never able to get either Copland build to boot due to lack of the right hardware but I did go poking through the files a long time ago. The ATM screen had a colour version of the old "landscape" picture from System 1.1. I took it out with Resedit, resized it to fit and used it in my OS8 install Smile

I have the full DDK which included the D11E4 build so I'll dig it out later and see if there's anything else about Copland in there. Also some white papers.
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mrintel



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just ordered a Power Mac 8500 to see if I can get Copland DR1 working. Can't wait to see what it can do (if anything at all)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI... lots of docs on Copland: http://www.pagetable.com/?p=211
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that link. I didn't realise there was a D9 build too.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

huh, me neither. Thanks a lot. Love to get my hands on that version.
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mrintel



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I tried to install Copland, and everything went fine, until the kernel tried to initialize. Then the debugger gave this error...

Access Fault

Kernel: Dispatcher: No kernel stacks available!


Does anybody have any idea as to what I’m doing wrong, if anything at all?
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dru



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrintel wrote:
was there ever a release for Taligent?


There was but not as a standalone OS.

It shipped as Taligent CommonPoint for AIX 4.1 in July '95. Apparently it runs in a AIX-hosted window with its own menus, icons and desktop.

According to IBM docs, it's not compatible with AIX 4.2 and later either.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I installed successfully Copland D11E4 on my PowerMac 7100/80, but it is not useful it is really buggy release ...

movie 1 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/86210/P1010012.MOV

movie 2 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/86210/P1010013.MOV
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