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mikeboss



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:55 am    Post subject: possibly the smallest/cheapest OPENSTEP capable computer Reply with quote

much to my surprise i was able to get OPENSTEP up and running on this small embedded ALIX mainboard from pcengines (costs about 150 USD including the case) ->

http://pcengines.ch/alix1d.htm

the speed is perfectly usable, although there's NO networking, NO sound and NO Bus Master DMA on the EIDE bus. see it in action here ->

http://youtu.be/xxJaXObnFTw

regards,
michael


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This looks very nice. What graphics adapter are you using?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the on-board graphics (built-in AMD Geode LX800) works with the VESA VBE driver. it runs at 1024x768, higher resolutions are possible.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: possibly the smallest/cheapest OPENSTEP capable computer Reply with quote

mikeboss wrote:
much to my surprise i was able to get OPENSTEP up and running on this small embedded ALIX mainboard from pcengines (costs about 150 USD including the case)


Oh, cool! I bought one of these with the intent of doing just this. Glad to know it works!

Do you have any console/log information on the hardware that isn't supported by NS?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the network, it seems to use VIA VT6105M chip (rhine III).

For audio, it seems to be the AMD CS5535 chip.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice: I bought me a DEC DE500-BA off of e*ay (the only NIC i could find that's supposed to run with 3.3V PCI and also has OPENSTEP drivers). IT WORKS! in fact, I am writing this post from my ALIX/OPENSTEP box using OmniWeb 3.0 Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:10 am    Post subject: Re: possibly the smallest/cheapest OPENSTEP capable computer Reply with quote

mikeboss wrote:
much to my surprise i was able to get OPENSTEP up and running on this small embedded ALIX mainboard from pcengines (costs about 150 USD including the case)
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regards,
michael


Dear,
I know, thread is a bit outdated... but I would like to install OpenStep on a very similar ThinClient (Wyse SX0, AMD Geode, IDE). Maybe for use as a little webserver.
How do you install the system on it?

I was able to install Openstep 4.2 on a older ThinkPad 390 with floppies and CD, but this TP has no network to "export". So I've no idea howto make a boot-CD and or a "image" from a running system like one of a forum member does.

sorry for my english. Th

antonio
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used a floppy drive connected to one of the USB ports to boot the installer.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it really work over USB? But I suppose only the installdisk; driverdisk should not work without usb-support, or do I miss some info about install procedure? Shocked

Hm, what about starting over a usb-stick. Should this work, too?

maybe I try to "make" a 2,88 floppy image over vmware, first.

greats

antonio
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess the system BIOS is emulating a legacy FDD and thus, the installer will work like it would on an old PC with a real floppy controller. that's why the floppy containing drivers will work, too.

I doubt that you'll be able to boot from a USB stick.

to my best knowledge, there where no ED (2.88 MB) disks.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I've to take a look on BIOS of my Wyse SX0; I suppose there is FDD emulation, too.

I meant a 2,88 image to build a start CD, not a real disk. My problem ist that my openstep running laptop do not has any network or other possibilities to "extract" a image. I tried VirtualBox, but my Thinkpad has no PS2-mouse and a usb-mouse won't work with openstep... (or there is somewhere a misconfiguration)
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
so installing over USB-FDD worked for me, too. OPENSTEP 4.2 is running on a FUTRO S400.

Next prob: I've a DEC21140 10/100 ethernet-PCI-card. Normally it should work with OPENSTEP drivers, but I can't see it on network. IP-address, router, gateway were installed over SimpleNetworkStarter (as root). Same procedure with HostManager (local)...

Ethernetcard was working fine with BeOS, so it has no defect... Driver used is DEC21140 100MB/s (4.02).

What I'm doing wrong? Question
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might need to alter the PCI ID in Configure.app.

This is an interesting read, and this post addresses it for a video card, but it's the same for any PCI card.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hej,

I suppose there ia another problem with this DEC cards, I read something about similar issues in another older thread in a bsd-forum.

I bought a 3COM card, it works now.

But I've difilculties in set up network; there are not the TCP/IP entries, but the other parts. I tried to setup this client in a "mixed network", like NEXTSTEP Network and System Administration Manual, I installed nsca-httpd, but I can't reach the pages from outside (another PC)... Confused

Ping works...
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