NeXT Computers

RacerX · Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 333 Location: Twin Cities, MN

I've written a lot about all the things that you could have done with a Mac in the 1980s and 1990s, and have demonstrated (within my limited abilities) the quality of what could be produced on those old systems using old software.

To a degree, there really isn't anything all that remarkable about anything I have done as I could recall seeing such work being done back then. The only thing stopping me from having attempted most of that stuff when the hardware and software was current was the cost (which isn't an issue with stuff that old these days).

But here is the question...

Part of the reason I started using Macs was because I knew that they could enable people to do such things. For people who were Windows or DOS users of the 1980s and 1990s, what was it that you could do with those systems then, and what could you do with them now that cost isn't a barrier anymore?

I guess what I'm wondering is if you could actually do things on old Windows systems similar to what I can do on old Macs?

For example, my PowerMac 8600 came out in 1997. I use it for capturing video from tapes or DVDs, and can transfer back onto tape. I do video and audio editing on it, and I can do CG animation with that system. And that is not even bringing up all of the desktop publishing abilities of the system, or the web design and flash types of things.

So is there anyone out there who uses Windows NT 4 or Windows 98 on hardware from 10 years ago to produce stuff?

And if not, why not?
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helf · Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 1097 Location: Alabama, USA

You'd have to be suicidal to use windows 98 for anything like that and NT4 was never meant to be used for stuff like that. It was a server OS. So I doubt many people use(d) it for anything like that Razz

It's consumer hardware support was pretty lacking.
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mgtremaine · Joined: 17 Feb 2007 Posts: 105 Location: San Diego, Ca

Closest to any of that I ever did was the video capture and conversion. In the early days 1995 -> 2000 we used Windows 95, Windows 98 to do various types of live and VHS captures using ATI-all-in-Wonder cards and some older cards that I forget the name of [stability was a huge issue] to capture and convert to Real Media and post online. We did this for a local news channel and some radio stations. Quality was so so, if I captured as pure avi and then converted I could almost get 8-10fps at super small size on the Pentium 233mhz super box that I built ;P [this was 1996]. Ah those where the days.

-MIke

Thrax · Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 79

I was in high school in the mid-80s and my school was one the first to have a full mac lab. I was editor of the newspaper and becamethe first school paper in my city to have a full DTP layout.
Also since i had access to the laser printer i was able to print off assignments on the lazer in an age when the majority of people were using a typewriter or a dot matrix printer.
All the above was done in WYSIWYG something that was not common in the "pc" world.
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pentium · Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 1159 Location: Kamloops, BC

I still use my 8600 for Video editing however Avid VideoShop is horribly slow.
I still use a windows 95 system here every so often.
I used NT 4.0 for three hours and never again.
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rice0067 · Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 66 Location: Malden MA USA

NT 4.0 was awsome!
It was so fast, didn't crash and had that win95 interface. I loved it.
I used adobe premiere on it (dual PPRO 180mhz 256 meg ram.)
And Bryce!... photoshop 4 and 5.5 .. by the time NT4 came out graphics and video software was pretty mature.
Only problem was lack of USB support.

nextchef · Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: Missouri, USA

The SGI VW320 I used as my primary desktop back in the late 90's came with NT4, and it was rock solid. Don't know if that had more to do with the SGI system than the OS, but we had about 10 of them in use with very little problems that I can remember. That system would do video capture from the built in S-Video connection fairly easily as I recall. The guy next to me used it to make the corporate training videos and presentations, and he seemed to like it. He had a "double cube" workspace with all the cool toys; the A/V cameras, monitors and tape decks his job "required". :?

Not exactly a "generic PC" system, but it seemed to do the job for him running NT.

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helf · Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 1097 Location: Alabama, USA

Take back what I said about NT Smile

I forgot about the SGI machines...
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neozeed · Joined: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 716 Location: Hong Kong

I know Im in a real minority as I not only like NT 4.0, but I still use it. I run several NT 4.0 VM's and it's stable as hell with sp6a. I've had NT 4.0 servers that ran in production with SQL 6.5 and SNA 4.0 with uptime in years..

As long as you keep your installs 'simple' and single server functionality it's cool now as it's memory and disk footprint is a joke. And it runs super fast on modern machines with VMWare, Qemu or VirtualPC/VirtualServer.

Oh, I use it for Exchange 5.5, SQL 7, and a copy of Terminal server... Which is a different animal in it's own right.
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helf · Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 1097 Location: Alabama, USA

NT4 SP6a was actually pretty darn good Smile

I ran it on my machine at work for over a year before they made me upgrade to windows XP... One of our AV servers ran it and its uptime was usually over a year. i just periodically logged in via VNC and checked it over.
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blackcube · Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 164 Location: Sherman, Texas USA

I've never been into content creation but I still use systems from that vintage daily. My EEPROM burning system is a Dell Pentium system running Windows 98 since the software with my PROM burner doesn't like anything with a HAL. My CAD station is a Dell Dimension Pentium Pro system running Windows 98 since I don't have 2000/XP drivers for my Kurta IS-1 graphics tablet or my Zericon and HI pen plotters and I'm running AutoCAD 12 for Windows which doesn't much like XP either. I have a Micron Netframe server running NT4sp6 with Services for Macintosh acting as a file server for all of my 68K Mac's. It's been up since 6/7/2006 when I moved into this house.

So I still use older Windows and DOS systems. My primary desktop publishing system is my NeXT Cube with the Dimension board and Framemaker for NeXT. Hell, I still occasionally use Wordstar 3.3 on my Commodore 128D running CP/M3+. I still remember all my <ctrl>k commands.

You know I've never tried to capture video from a camcorder or other source. My focus has always been on networking and information storage.
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Jenne · Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 338 Location: Switzerland

Windows....

I´ve been using 98 and XP for many years in audio production and sometimes video conversion. For some odd reason Steinberg´s Cubase and Nuendo was somewhat more usable within Windows than Mac for me. On the other hand the Macs I used worked pretty well together with Logic (I never changed to Apple Logic, though).

J
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