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bkmoore
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 Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: |
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kb7sqi,
Thanks for the "launch code." I tried it out and NS3.3 booted right up in full color and glory with all drivers working! I posted a screen shot proof in my public folder http://idisk.mac.com/bkmoore-Public?view=web
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kb7sqi
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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Location: Winston Salem, NC
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| bkmoore wrote: | kb7sqi,
Thanks for the "launch code." I tried it out and NS3.3 booted right up in full color and glory with all drivers working! I posted a screen shot proof in my public folder http://idisk.mac.com/bkmoore-Public?view=web
Brian |
Hey Brian,
So I got some sleep.  Rebooted my laptop back into Tiger & tried to compile. It fails because of the patch to cocoa.m file. No problem, copied the archive over to my tiny Dell Mini9 running Leopard.  It compiled fine. Like your results, the first time I booted it up, it came up in full glory. After a reboot though it fails like it did on OpenSolaris. Same results. In fact, that's all I get now. Right after lookupd is when I get them.  Can you try several reboots & see if you get the same results? |
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bkmoore
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Steven,
I don't seem to be having any issues with booting. I was able to reproduce your bug the one time I did a config=Default start up. It hung trying to load all the network daemons.
Issues I've had so far are:
1. mouse only seems to support single button. I tried enabling right button and both buttons wound up being the right button.
2. bridged networking not working for me. I am confident my NS3.3. network settings are OK. Problem must be with QEMU
3. significant amount of video tearing in full screen mode.
If you have any thoughts on any of these, please let me know.
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dai_vernon
Joined: 11 Feb 2009
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Location: Newark, DE
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| This is all very exciting to watch! I'd love to be running NS in a virtual machine on my desktop. I am eagerly awaiting all of your results! |
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kb7sqi
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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Location: Winston Salem, NC
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| bkmoore wrote: | Steven,
I don't seem to be having any issues with booting. I was able to reproduce your bug the one time I did a config=Default start up. It hung trying to load all the network daemons.
Issues I've had so far are:
1. mouse only seems to support single button. I tried enabling right button and both buttons wound up being the right button.
2. bridged networking not working for me. I am confident my NS3.3. network settings are OK. Problem must be with QEMU
3. significant amount of video tearing in full screen mode.
If you have any thoughts on any of these, please let me know.
Brian |
Hi Brian,
Besides the problem on boot which I see more on OpenSolaris, I'm seeing these issues also. Especially the networking. I'd have to say the latest svn release isn't quite ready for prime time yet as far as NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP is concerned. 0.90 is rock solid. But I'll mess w/ it more this week as I have time. |
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kb7sqi
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| dai_vernon wrote: | | This is all very exciting to watch! I'd love to be running NS in a virtual machine on my desktop. I am eagerly awaiting all of your results! |
dai_vernon,
There's several ways to already run NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP virtually that do work well besides the latest svn version of qemu. If you're running Mac OSX, VMWare Fusion 1.1 & even 2.0 run both NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP well. You run in to problems w/ 2.0.1 though. Once you have the drivers installed/working, everything works 100% even sound. Parallels 3.x runs OPENSTEP really well also. In fact, it's the fastest way to run OPENSTEP under Mac OS X. Only thing that don't work is sound. When running OSX, this is how I prefer to run OPENSTEP virtually. VirtualBox upto 2.0.6 also runs OPENSTEP well, it's just slower than all other ways mentioned above. Everything works like VMWare Fusion/patched version of qemu. Just not as fast. Since I run OpenSolaris most of the time, I tend to use the older version of qemu over VirtualBox, but since VirtualBox runs on so many platforms, I also use it. It's nice to be able to use the same "virtual" images on each system. Search thru the forums here, we've tried to cover all this as much as possible. Hope that helps. Take care. |
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dai_vernon
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the advice, but unfortunately VMWare isn't an option because I am a) poor and b) using a PPC mac. I have had some success with non-nextstep stuff under qemu with linux and I would prefer using it for this too. When I get more free time I will likely try qemu + nextstep on linux. I already have GNUstep running on my debian server. It's pretty nice but I'd love to try the real thing! |
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kb7sqi
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| dai_vernon wrote: | | Thanks for the advice, but unfortunately VMWare isn't an option because I am a) poor and b) using a PPC mac. I have had some success with non-nextstep stuff under qemu with linux and I would prefer using it for this too. When I get more free time I will likely try qemu + nextstep on linux. I already have GNUstep running on my debian server. It's pretty nice but I'd love to try the real thing! |
Hey, there's nothing wrong w/ wanting to use a "free" alternative. The patches to qemu-0.90 work great for running NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP. Last year I did a comparision of "NXBench" running "virtually" & against real hardware that I run. I put the screenshots on my websever. It's gives you an idea how everything faired. Running things "virtually" is great when on the go, but I still prefer "real" hardware. If you want to build a system on the cheap, I'd pick up an old Sparc 4, 5, 10, or 20 off Ebay/Craigslist or pick up the parts & build an older x86 box for cheap. The old HP gecko's also make really nice NEXTSTEP systems. I love all my older systems. Take care. |
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dai_vernon
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll be getting an 040 cube in april and am really excited at the prospect of running NS 3.2 natively, especially on one of my favorite machines ever, but I think everyone here can understand wanting to delve into NS on modern hardware. |
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oneNeXT
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| Does anyone has a patched OSX x86 binary release with qemu 0.10.2 ? |
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andreas_g
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| i am also highly interested in an updated version of the customized q (universal binary + bug fixes) |
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kb7sqi
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| oneNeXT wrote: | | Does anyone has a patched OSX x86 binary release with qemu 0.10.2 ? |
I tried 0.10.2 & a svn release around the same time w/ patches proved by CW, aka MaddTheSane. I didn't have any luck getting it to be stable though. I have haven't had time to work on it again though. I'd like to upgrade to 0.10.2 myself, but 0.9 is still rock solid for me when running OPENSTEP 4.2 under OpenSolaris. When I get a chance to work on it again, I'll post my results. Take care. |
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