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hanul



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recently, I aquired a SGI O2 and a 1600SW monitor is on the way. I think this is one of the most outstanding designs for a computer.

I still consider the Apple Cube a very nice piece of hardware. Of the more historic computers, I would like to own an IMSAI 8800 (because of War Games Wink ).

I tried to start a collection of UNIX workstations of the 90s some time ago and at one point had two NeXTstations, a DEC AlphaStation 200, a HP 712/100 and several other computers. I sold most of them on ebay after considering the space requirements to set them up properly. I like my collection to be accessible, so I had to choose carefully.

I kept the 712 (running HP-UX and NEXTSTEP), added the SGI, and because they are part of my personal computer history, I still have my Commodore 128 and a Toshiba T1850 (ca. 1993). The rest has to be emulated, which is no major problem for any x86-based or 8-bit OS.
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cubist



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pentium wrote:
Pfft. That's not a real PDP-8. Razz

Good enough to be used in the DECMATE I. (The Harris chip, that is...)
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bkmoore



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't the French make a small all-in-one computer that might have inspired the form factor of the the original Macintosh?

I was just curious if anyone has seen one and can post a picture. I'm not sure what to search for on google to find it. Maybe one of the French users here is familiar with what I'm asking about.

Brian Moore
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cubist



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bkmoore wrote:
Didn't the French make a small all-in-one computer that might have inspired the form factor of the the original Macintosh?


The old minitel system, maybe?
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emond



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cubist wrote:
bkmoore wrote:
Didn't the French make a small all-in-one computer that might have inspired the form factor of the the original Macintosh?


The old minitel system, maybe?


this ??? Minitel 1 ?


or the SMT Goupil 1 ?


Or the MICRAL 80/22 ?


many other computer are make in France...


Me I prefere the Lear Siegler ADM-3A Rolling Eyes


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bkmoore



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emond,

Merci de nous afficher le Mintel 1. (I'm sorry in advance if my French isn't very good.) I read somewhere that the original Mac was possibly inspired by a French design. After looking at the pictures you provided, I think the Mintel 1 could have probably been a precursor. It looks like it had a built in modem. Looks like a really neat system.

Thanks,

Brian Moore
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mauve



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bkmoore wrote:

Merci de nous afficher le Mintel 1. (I'm sorry in advance if my French isn't very good.) I read somewhere that the original Mac was possibly inspired by a French design. After looking at the pictures you provided, I think the Mintel 1 could have probably been a precursor. It looks like it had a built in modem. Looks like a really neat system.


Hi,

In fact the Minitel was neat indeed, but it wasn't a computer. The modem was builtin but that's because it was a passive terminal hooked up to servers via a modem ; without it, the minitel would have been useless.

Just for your information, there are still some services open for Minitel ; most of the remaining ones are very professionals : where Internet needs strong encryption and heavy login procedures, Minitel pretty much warrants the identity of users.

And Minitel was only block-graphic (like an Atari 800).

The design philosophy was much closer to the CAT ; but as the CAT was Jeff Raskin's brain-child, and Jeff Raskin was responsible for the creation of the Mac division at Apple, this somehow ties the loop.
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hanul



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As mentioned above, one of the iconic computers I always wanted to own was an SGI. I thought I share a photo as the 1600SW display arrived today. Now, SGI went bancrupt again and it looks like they are going to be sold to Rackable...



The display is great (1600x1024 widescreen), the O2 is a little bit too noisy for my taste, but it is a nice system nonetheless. Have to get used to IRIX, though.

Unfortunately, my space is limited at the moment, so I had to store the HP 712 (NS3.3) temporarily to make room for the SGI.

A MicroVAX or a "small" PDP-11 (with UNIX V7) would be nice.
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cubist



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hanul wrote:

A MicroVAX or a "small" PDP-11 (with UNIX V7) would be nice.


Oh, you think the O2 is noisy?
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pentium



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cubist wrote:
Oh, you think the O2 is noisy?

I don't think he's really been in the presence of a real SGI. The O2 is a mere toy. Wink
Also, how hard was it finding the Flat Panel Adapter for that O2?
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niteshooter



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pentium wrote:
cubist wrote:
Oh, you think the O2 is noisy?

I don't think he's really been in the presence of a real SGI. The O2 is a mere toy. Wink
Also, how hard was it finding the Flat Panel Adapter for that O2?


Is it the same as the Iris -> Indy II? Connectors look like the old Sun and the old Apple 19 mono and full page mono screens?

If so then Black Box Canada had them not long ago. Cost was $11.43 cdn and the pn was FA8500SGI.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not even close.

the 13W3 connector is bog standard with SGI systems.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pentium wrote:
Not even close.

the 13W3 connector is bog standard with SGI systems.


Figures.
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hanul



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the O2 is noisy compared to a current desktop Mac Wink

I think, SGI's rack systems are as loud as any "big iron", be it from SGI, HP, Dell or any other. Never saw one, though, only SGI workstations. What about the desktop size PDPs and VAX? Are they "loud" machines?

I got the Flat Panel Adapter from ebay, new in box. They are as rare as the Multilink adapter.
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myszy



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="hanul"]Well, the O2 is noisy compared to a current desktop Mac Wink
What about the desktop size PDPs and VAX? Are they "loud" machines?.[/quote]

I've VAXstation 3100 M48 and it's really loud - it has two big fans in PSU and also three quite loud harddisks inside. I think it's even a bit louder than my Sun Ultra 60 (which has - I'm not completly sure - 5 or 6 fans ?).
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