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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:01 pm    Post subject: NeXTSTEP 3.1 in Previous Reply with quote

Hi, all.

Is anyone successful with running 3.1 in Previous? I keep getting some odd problems, such as the ones you see here. This system was upgraded from NS3.0, which was upgrade from NS2.2.

This first one is what I see after selecting English and the US keyboard.


This second one is what I see when I log in as root.


This third one is what happens when I press the power button on the login screen.


Anybody have a clue about how to fix these, or if they are maybe bugs in Previous? (I do not suspect that these are bugs with Previous.) Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

does this happen also if you're running the whole thing in greyscale-mode?

I do have a genuine set of NS 3.1 (boot-floppy and CD-ROM). if you like I could provide you images of these so you can try with a fresh install instead of an upgrade...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Mike. I imaged my NeXTSTEP 3.1 CD-ROMs, and I got the following MD5 checksums from them:

Code:
adfef37e096bfdf0f554e5e85fccecb7 NeXTSTEP 3.1/Developer-3.1.iso
fe8880f99a78dad49614c6656e6f833b NeXTSTEP 3.1/Install-3.1.iso

Does that match yours?

I do not have the floppy image, but would prefer to be able to do clean installs; could you email that one to me as well?

It has been so helpful for you to provide me with the floppy images, because I do not have a way to image them myself. I should've done it 10 years ago when I still had a floppy drive!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have NS 3.1 Developer, only User. I got a different MD5:

a3515580315cc322dbeb237a125d2134

but I also used a slightly different command to create the ISO:
sh-3.2# dd if=/dev/disk5 of=/Users/mikeboss/Desktop/NS31.iso bs=2048
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if you use /dev/diskX you get a "raw" dump which might explain the different md5. You can tell by dividing the filesize of the iso by 2352. If it goes in evenly it's a raw dump.

Most ripping tools won't use raw mode unless there's multiple sessions involved (like bin/cue) or CD audio tracks.

If you use /dev/rdiskX it will rip in normal mode. The filesize will be evenly divisible by 2048 then. Update: I was sure that worked but I got it wrong. /dev/rdisk doesn't work. /dev/diskXs0 does.

The blocksize has no effect on the resulting image. It's just the read/write buffer.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. Mine image's size (386654208) is evenly divisible by 2048, not 2352.

My CD does not show a part number; it simply says "RELEASE 3.1 FOR NeXT COMPUTERS."

On the inside of my CD case (behind where the CD goes) is a small sticker that reads "AEM0012992."
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one more thing I can try: I booted NS3.3 with my NS3.1 hard disk and CD-ROM mounted. I am running BuildDisk from the 3.1 CD, and it's installing. I'll see if that builds a working install.

Edit: it does build a working NeXTSTEP install: it builds a 3.3 install!

I'm not sure what my options are now: I have tried upgrading from 2.x, booting from floppy, and running BuildDisk right from the CD. I have also tried installing 3.1 to all 3 emulated computers.

Has anyone else had success with 3.1 in Previous?

I really suspect that I have a bad CD. Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I remember trying BuildDisk with NS4.0 in the hope it would let me "clean" install it to a new disk and finding out that it only clones the running system.

I only have 3.1 for Intel so I can't help you out here.

Most single-session isos will be evenly divisible by 2048 but occasionally you can find one that was dumped raw. In this case I usually convert them with binchunker or a similar "bin to iso" tool.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I re-ripped the 3.1 CD-ROM using dd if=/dev/disk5s0 and MD5 is exactly the same as yours.

could you provide me an up-to-date binary of previous (for OS X)?
I then will try to install NS 3.1
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the binary I've been using...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13208710/NeXT/previous.app.tgz
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not working for me, it keeps asking for some libraries

/usr/local/lib/libSDL-1.2.0.dylib
/opt/local/lib/libpng15.15.dylib
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I think my environment might be a little different from yours. I forget how those 2 libraries got installed in those locations; maybe someone else can help with how to install them. If they don't install in those locations, you can of course link them there.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, downloaded libSDL-1.2.0.dylib from some place on the internets: seems to be the right file. found libpng15.15.dylib hidden inside FS-UAE but now I get this:

Dyld Error Message:
Library not loaded: /opt/local/lib/libpng15.15.dylib
Referenced from: /Users/USER/Desktop/previous.app/Contents/MacOS/Previous
Reason: no suitable image found. Did find:
/opt/local/lib/libpng15.15.dylib: mach-o, but wrong architecture
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, found a nice collection of boot-floppies ->

http://www.shawcomputing.net/resources/next/hardware/boot_floppies/boot_floppies.html
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great find! I really like shawcomputing.net and his Rhapsody Resource Page: http://www.rhapsodyos.org
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