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bobo68



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:40 pm    Post subject: Networking Guide Reply with quote

Hi,

now that I have 2 NeXTstations up and running I'd like to move some apps onto them. I thought that ftping to my Mac might be a good idea.

Is there a simple guide available on how to bring a NeXTstation with NS 3.3 onto a normal TCP/IP Ethernet LAN?

Of course I searched this forum and the interwebs but much stuff seems to be no longer available.

TIA, bobo68
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SlateBlue



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll try to get you some kind of write-up of what I have done. In a nutshell, I created an NFS share on a PC running Ubuntu Linux and used that computer to download software from the NeXT Computers archive. Then, I used NFS Manager to point my NeXT Slab to the IP of my Linux machine so that I could access the downloads locally on the NeXT.

I've heard of others doing something similar under modern versions of Windows Server.
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bobo68



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be helpful. Although I first need to get basic IP networking up and running.

I configured HostManager according to this guide http://www.cilinder.be/docs/next/NeXTStep/3.3/nsa/11_MixedNet.htmld/index.html#11s.

When the NeXTstation boots there is a connection to the switch for some seconds (led lights up at the switch) but it goes off again and stays like that. I cannot ping any other hosts.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a pretty good guide:

http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/TjLs_Cable_Modem_Guide.pdf

I haven't had much luck with DHCP so I use a static IP for each of my NeXTs.
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bobo68



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, IP networking is up and running. I probably forgot to specify all network config parameters like broadcast, router, ... yesterday and relied on automatic. ftp works, too.

I had no luck so far to get NFS to work between the NeXTstations and a modern Mac with OS X El Capitan (both directions). Sometimes I seemed to be almost there (e.g. the NFS share from the Mac showed up under /Net but it had no contents).

Maybe NFS in Mac OS X is too young (protocols) or constrained in some way (security, ...) to make a connection.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I did it under Linux, I had to specify my Linux servers hostname in the Net Info Manager, I think. Once I did that it worked. I might have time this evening to sit down and work with the setup again. This link gave instructions for how to set up the NFS share on Ubuntu and listed any additional software packages that needed to be installed.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote up a howto on setting up autonfsmount on NeXT. Try this and see if it helps...

http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3598
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paolo.bertolo



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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Everybody,

just wanted to share my experience for getting my NeXTstation on line.
As usual, the documentation and the instructions available on this forum helped a lot, still I could not get anything out of it until...
Situation: just wanted to connect the NeXTstation to my Macbook, via Ethernet, since I thought bringing the NeXT online would have been impossible.
Big headache and no results.
So I approached the problem from a different side.
WLAN at my place is very basic: I just have an Apple AirPort TimeCapsule which is connected to the modem. I also have an AirPort Express which I use for streaming tunes to my living room.
Quite obviously, the whole set up process did happen in pure Apple style, plug and play.
So I took the NeXTstation and connected it to the AirPort Express via an Ethernet cable (crossed).
Then I opened the tutorial "TjLs-Cable-Modem-Howto-for-NeXTStep.pdf", which is indeed good but it kinda lets you down when it comes to the actual data that one has to enter in each of the fields to fill up.
And here comes the trick that did save a newbie like myself.
I've just opened my iPhone and checked "Settings > Wi-Fi > Info": there you find IP Address / Subnet Mask / Router / Search Domains, basically all is needed for going through the instructions in the tutorial file. When it comes to setting up "resolv.conf", just to be sure I simply copied the one local to my MacBook.
One just has to manually assign an IP address that is not already in use. How to check it? Just run "AirPort Utility", click on each AirPort station connected to your WLAN and check the IP in use by the connected devices. Then simply choose a different one.
End of the story, ten mins later my NeXT was on line (this post has been edited on it and posted using OmniWeb).
Finally, using RBrowser (on the Mac) you can directly move files back and forth via FTP.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paolo.bertolo wrote:
Hello Everybody,



just wanted to share my experience for getting my NeXTstation on line.

As usual, the documentation and the instructions available on this forum helped a lot, still I could not get anything out of it until...

Situation: just wanted to connect the NeXTstation to my Macbook, via Ethernet, since I thought bringing the NeXT online would have been impossible.

Big headache and no results.

So I approached the problem from a different side.

WLAN at my place is very basic: I just have an Apple AirPort TimeCapsule which is connected to the modem. I also have an AirPort Express which I use for streaming tunes to my living room.

Quite obviously, the whole set up process did happen in pure Apple style, plug and play.

So I took the NeXTstation and connected it to the AirPort Express via an Ethernet cable (crossed).

Then I opened the tutorial "TjLs-Cable-Modem-Howto-for-NeXTStep.pdf", which is indeed good but it kinda lets you down when it comes to the actual data that one has to enter in each of the fields to fill up.

And here comes the trick that did save a newbie like myself.

I've just opened my iPhone and checked "Settings > Wi-Fi > Info": there you find IP Address / Subnet Mask / Router / Search Domains, basically all is needed for going through the instructions in the tutorial file. When it comes to setting up "resolv.conf", just to be sure I simply copied the one local to my MacBook.

One just has to manually assign an IP address that is not already in use. How to check it? Just run "AirPort Utility", click on each AirPort station connected to your WLAN and check the IP in use by the connected devices. Then simply choose a different one.

End of the story, ten mins later my NeXT was on line (this post has been edited on it and posted using OmniWeb).

Finally, using RBrowser (on the Mac) you can directly move files back and forth via FTP.
Hello Paolo: That is a great tip on how to find the info to set up resolv.conf , I'll have to try it. Best Regards Rob Blessin
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bobo68



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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finally got my NeXT machines onto the LAN and was able to surf the web and connect to a local NFS share. Most of the hints have been given in this thread. Just wanted to sum it up in one story line:

Configure networking on the NeXT via the HostManager.app:
see http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/TjLs_Cable_Modem_Guide.pdf for general instructions

I used
    Internet Address (= the IP address of your NeXT): 192.168.1.200 (depends on your LAN IP range; avoid conflicts with other machines on the LAN)
    Broadcast Address: 192.168.1.255
    Netmask: 255.255.255.0
    Router (= usually the IP of your Wifi or LAN router which connects to the Internet): 192.168.1.1


Configure DNS nameserver's IP address on the NeXT. It is used to resolve Internet host names like www.apple.com
Create or edit the file /etc/resolv.conf with contents on the NeXT
Code:
nameserver 192.168.1.1

Many Internet routers work as a DNS proxy, so you can use its address here. Otherwise use an external DNS like Google's public servers: 8.8.8.8

-> Now your NeXT should be able to reach machines on the LAN (try ping) and access Internet servers, e.g. web sites (try OmniWeb).

Set up NFS file sharing (NeXT as a client)
If your server is a Mac / UNIX machine, create file /etc/exports with a line for every directory you want to share on the server. e.g.
Code:
/Users/bobo68/Public

Mount that directory on the NeXT using the shell (given the server IP of 192.168.1.20):
Code:
mount -t nfs 192.168.1.20:/Users/bobo68/Public /Net


-> If you open the /Net directory on the NeXT you should see the files of the server
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paolo.bertolo



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Everybody,

has anyone ever tried this kind of adapter?

I would like to connect my Cube 030 to a network and I need an adapter...

Any suggestion about this or alternative solutions?

Thanks in advance for your feedback!

Paolo

http://www.myithub.com.au/ALLOY-ECR10R-Ethernet-StandaloneRackmount-Media-Converter-10Base-T-RJ-45-to-10Base-2-BNC-185m-P27519.aspx

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Andreas



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have tried this one, but never success

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paolo.bertolo



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember I've seen somewhere, probably in this forum, a picture with some comments of a successful installation: Cube 030, media adapter, wi fi router. Unfortunately, I can't find it anymore...
Anyhow, if I remember well, the box was not connected directly, but via a T connector terminated on one side.
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cubist



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:06 am    Post subject: thin wire Reply with quote

The last time I used thin wire on a NeXT, my layout was:
* NeXT talking to 3Com OfficeConnect 10B2/10BT Hub (and likely not a switch masquerading as a hub)
* Above talking to 3Com OfficeConnect 10/100BT Hub/Switch
* More modern stuff talking to that.

That was robust in the face autonegotiation and other challenges. Do terminate the thin wire correctly (BNC T & termination resistor). Do have a real switch (any modern 'router') between the NeXT and the rest of your network.
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mikeboss



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have this one (Allied Telesys AT-MC15): http://www.ebay.com/itm/291161240078

bought mine off of ricardo.ch for little money, works just fine.
of course, you'll need two T connectors and two terminators also!

BRACK seems to sell converters: https://www.brack.ch/generic-et-509-medien-converter-142032

regards,
michael

EDIT:
the thread you were looking for: http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3306


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