Ariel Quint DSP / QuintProcessor

Started by korneluk, June 01, 2007, 09:12:17 AM

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korneluk

Anybody have information on this board for the NeXT cube?

I know it has four slave DSPs with 16 or 32K of static RAM, a hub DSP with 8K of SRAM, a bank of dynamic RAM (DRAM) a set of serial ports, two per DSP, and a SCSI chip.

I also have enough parts to build one if I could get my hands on a schematic.

Any info appreciated,

-- josé k.

Andreas

Quote from: "korneluk"Anybody have information on this board for the NeXT cube?

If i remember correctly David Fischbach, a french guy, have this board. But i have to dig out how to contact him. Since he have buyed some things via eBay, maybe some of the sellers from the USA have also an email-adress.

korneluk

If we get enough information, or an actual board to trace the schematic, I am willing to capture a schematic and lay out a PCB for all to use.

-- josé k.

Andreas

Quote from: "korneluk"If we get enough information, or an actual board to trace the schematic, I am willing to capture a schematic and lay out a PCB for all to use.

-- josé k.

Could you do this with an Nitro board :-)?

korneluk

I have never seen a Nitro board. If it is just straight logic, the answer is yes. If there are PALs, GALs, or other programmable logic to reverse engineer it will take longer.

-- josé k.

korneluk

I found a link with a picture and the description of the IRCAM SPW for the NeXT. Link and pictures here:

http://knorretje.hku.nl/wiki/ISPW





Enjoy,

-- josé k.

pentium

Damn son, that's a lot of silicon.

-NeXT 68040 Cube with NS 3.3 and 64Mb ram

da9000

Quote from: "pentium"Damn son, that's a lot of silicon.

Heh, they made'em "fat" in those days! And the hardware*did* deserve the price tag it carried those days!

emond

4x NeXTcube ISPW, NeXTstation; Apple dual G5 2.5GHz, xserve dual G5 2.3GHz, xserve dual Xeon, Imac 27'', Imac 21'', 3x mac mini, G4 cube, G4 ...

tenzin

This is not the Ariel Quint, but, is very similar :
(Google Translation links)

RCN DSP

Quint 56 DSP Card

I have been wishing for some years these were available for PowerMac, and SGI, as well as a mini PCI or PCMCIA for Thinkpads :)

While trying to find the RCN link in Google, I found this, which might also be of interest re music DSPs :
(Google rendered postscript)

Interim DynaPiano

emond

I think is very hard too find one, I think it is home making by Ariel, but only for the CCRMA Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics at Stanford University.

The most interesting link is :
http://www.scandalis.com/Jarrah/PhysicalModels/index.html#StanfordCCRMA

QuoteI also worked on developing a number of Physical Models. These models were developed on a NeXT machine using SynthBuilder (screenshot-1 gif, 68kb, screenshot-2 gif, 55kb) and the NeXT MusicKit running on Motorola 56k DSPs.  We had 3 DSP platforms. The original NeXT machine had an onboard 25Mhz 56k.   Bill Putnam and Tim Stilson also designed a DSP farm known as the Frankenstein box (screenshot-3 gif, 154kb, screenshot-4 gif, 177kb) that had 8 Motorola 56k EVMs over-clocked to 80 MHz connected to a P5 NeXT machine via an ISA interface.  We also had a single card EVM integrated onto an ISA card , known as a "Cocktail Frank" (Tim Stilson and I hand built these). Here are some sound samples, and a brief explanation of each model.

QuoteThe Ariel QuintProcessor is a board that fits into the NeXT cube. It features four "satellite" ("slave") DSPs with 16 or 32K of static RAM (SRAM), a hub DSP with 8K of SRAM, a bank of dynamic RAM (DRAM) a set of serial ports, two per DSP, and a SCSI chip. The Music Kit supports the DSPs, the DSP ports, and the DRAM. It does not currently support the SCSI.

Look these link for more informations :
http://musickit.sourceforge.net/Frameworks/interfaceArielQP.html
and
http://www.koders.com/objectivec/fid09F18D3D0117C96073A15EF82FE75BF92422F4E5.aspx

One good source are the Computer Music Journal, Vol. 15, No. 4, Dream Machines for Computer Music: In Honor of John R. Pierce's 80th Birthday (Winter, 1991), pp. 62-64 :
http://www.jstor.org/jstor/gifcvtdir/ap005168/01489267/ap060053/06a00180_l.1.gif?config=jstor&K=user@user_response/41mAX8SbHy4N.omhvG/40/4kmArwjm/301489267.ap060053.06a00180.0/1GigFFQHyelb9N40B87o.m

Other :
QuoteDigital signal processing is possible on the NeXT computers, both via built-in Motorola 56001 DSP hardware and on three Ariel Quint Processor boards which contribute five additional 56001 processors each.
http://www.o-art.org/history/Computer/CCRMA/C.C.R.M.A..html

Also :
Computer Music Workstations I Have Known and Loved
QuoteThe recent Common Lisp music/Common music (clm/cm) system developed by William Schottstaedt and Heinrich Taube at the CCRMA Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics at Stanford University combines a NeXT "cube" workstation with an Ariel Corp. Quint Processor with five Motorola DSP56001 co-processors (Schottstaedt; Taube). The combined system supports signal synthesis and processing, score description and management, and MIDI capture and performance in a unified Lisp-based environment. This is a powerful state-of-the-art Lisp-based music system. More recently, it has been ported to other Common Lisp platforms, such as Intel-based PCs.
http://www.create.ucsb.edu/~stp/PostScript/icmc.95.CMWS.pdf
4x NeXTcube ISPW, NeXTstation; Apple dual G5 2.5GHz, xserve dual G5 2.3GHz, xserve dual Xeon, Imac 27'', Imac 21'', 3x mac mini, G4 cube, G4 ...

Rob Blessin Black Hole

Quote from: "emond"I think is very hard too find one, I think it is home making by Ariel, but only for the CCRMA Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics at Stanford University.

The most interesting link is :
http://www.scandalis.com/Jarrah/PhysicalModels/index.html#StanfordCCRMA

QuoteI also worked on developing a number of Physical Models. These models were developed on a NeXT machine using SynthBuilder (screenshot-1 gif, 68kb, screenshot-2 gif, 55kb) and the NeXT MusicKit running on Motorola 56k DSPs.  We had 3 DSP platforms. The original NeXT machine had an onboard 25Mhz 56k.   Bill Putnam and Tim Stilson also designed a DSP farm known as the Frankenstein box (screenshot-3 gif, 154kb, screenshot-4 gif, 177kb) that had 8 Motorola 56k EVMs over-clocked to 80 MHz connected to a P5 NeXT machine via an ISA interface.  We also had a single card EVM integrated onto an ISA card , known as a "Cocktail Frank" (Tim Stilson and I hand built these). Here are some sound samples, and a brief explanation of each model.

QuoteThe Ariel QuintProcessor is a board that fits into the NeXT cube. It features four "satellite" ("slave") DSPs with 16 or 32K of static RAM (SRAM), a hub DSP with 8K of SRAM, a bank of dynamic RAM (DRAM) a set of serial ports, two per DSP, and a SCSI chip. The Music Kit supports the DSPs, the DSP ports, and the DRAM. It does not currently support the SCSI.

Look these link for more informations :
http://musickit.sourceforge.net/Frameworks/interfaceArielQP.html
and
http://www.koders.com/objectivec/fid09F18D3D0117C96073A15EF82FE75BF92422F4E5.aspx

One good source are the Computer Music Journal, Vol. 15, No. 4, Dream Machines for Computer Music: In Honor of John R. Pierce's 80th Birthday (Winter, 1991), pp. 62-64 :
http://www.jstor.org/jstor/gifcvtdir/ap005168/01489267/ap060053/06a00180_l.1.gif?config=jstor&K=user@user_response/41mAX8SbHy4N.omhvG/40/4kmArwjm/301489267.ap060053.06a00180.0/1GigFFQHyelb9N40B87o.m

Other :
QuoteDigital signal processing is possible on the NeXT computers, both via built-in Motorola 56001 DSP hardware and on three Ariel Quint Processor boards which contribute five additional 56001 processors each.
http://www.o-art.org/history/Computer/CCRMA/C.C.R.M.A..html

Also :
Computer Music Workstations I Have Known and Loved
QuoteThe recent Common Lisp music/Common music (clm/cm) system developed by William Schottstaedt and Heinrich Taube at the CCRMA Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics at Stanford University combines a NeXT "cube" workstation with an Ariel Corp. Quint Processor with five Motorola DSP56001 co-processors (Schottstaedt; Taube). The combined system supports signal synthesis and processing, score description and management, and MIDI capture and performance in a unified Lisp-based environment. This is a powerful state-of-the-art Lisp-based music system. More recently, it has been ported to other Common Lisp platforms, such as Intel-based PCs.
http://www.create.ucsb.edu/~stp/PostScript/icmc.95.CMWS.pdf
So I have been asked to broker as in for sale a quint board which is
really cool , the story is this was owned by the original developers Julius O. Smith & David A. Jaffe  of the board and used at Stanford CCRMA. Anyone interested in putting an offer in feel free to pm .  photos , it also works  http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/Rare_NeXT_Hardware/ArielQuintprocessor/  and here it is in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15jG1zfx-IM

Best Regards Rob
Rob Blessin President computerpowwow ebay  [email protected] http://www.blackholeinc.com
303-741-9998 Serving the NeXT Community  since 2/9/93

jpm


Rob Blessin Black Hole

Quote from: "jpm"On eBay now I see.... https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/191819457581
I can negotiate a much better price holy moly !
Rob Blessin President computerpowwow ebay  [email protected] http://www.blackholeinc.com
303-741-9998 Serving the NeXT Community  since 2/9/93