Started by brams, October 16, 2006, 10:49:18 AM
Quote from: "brams"?!?!?!?!? WTF did I miss something with Wallstreets?Look at the price!http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120042438239&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUK%3A1&rd=1
Quote from: "brams"OK so I bagged this:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/apple-powerbook-g3-512mb-30gb-ibook-g3-g4-g5_W0QQitemZ270043708418QQihZ017QQcategoryZ4606QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemWhat do you all reckon?, seller says it's a 266 but maybe a 300, he says it's not a 233. It's a bit expensive but at least it looks complete and I can play with Rhapsody on it.
Quote from: "brams"RacerX, is it possible to have Rhapsody & OS X on the same system?, I know you can have Rhapsody and OS 8 or 9 but unsure about X
Quote from: "brams"Argh!! it's a 233 Wallstreet, so a brain transplant is in order me thinks, so Mr Dave Wegener is gonna be receiving an order for a G4/500 pretty sharpish. Thankfully it is a Walllstreet with 4mb RageLT Pro and not a Mainstreet with 2mb Rage II LT graphics and no scaling ability. It's not such a big deal as it would have got a G4 in it if it was 300, I could have just sold the 300 on for a bit a cash back, dammit!! I did want to use 8.1 as well as Rhapsody, will that work with a G4 or does it need a G3, 8.6 is supposed to be the first G4 OS but does that mean it supports AltiVec or mean that anything before 8.6 won't work at all.
Quote from: "RacerX"I wouldn't lose your original G3 daughter card for your Wallstreet if I was you (and in fact, I've kept an old G3 daughter card for my Wallstreet which has a G4/500 in it).First, I'm not sure that Rhapsody is going to be very happy with a G4 (or G3) replacement card in your Wallstreet. These cards aren't stock equipment, and usually require additional software to enable the cards to work correctly... software which doesn't exist for Rhapsody.Additionally, Mac OS X may refuse to install on a Wallstreet with a replacement card. Having the original card for the installation (or reinstallation if needed) and then switching to the replacement card afterwards is the safest thing to do.
QuoteAs for running in Mac OS 8.1... you could do it, but I'd keep in mind that pretty much anything that would work with Altivec was also Carbon. And you need 8.6 for Carbon apps to function.The only reason I'll put 8.1 on a system rather than 8.6 is memory... 8.1 uses around 8 to 12 MB of memory for the system were as 8.6 uses between 16 to 24 MB of memory. If you are running your Wallstreet at a memory level where that makes a difference, you are never going to get either Mac OS X or Rhapsody on that system. If you have 48 Mb of RAM or more, Mac OS 8.1 starts to lose any advantages it might have had over 8.6.Similarly, almost anything that could run in Mac OS 9.x can be run in 8.6... and 8.6 requires far less memory (Mac OS 9 starts out around 32 MB and jumps beyond 64 MB by the time you get to 9.2.x) and is much more stable than any version of 9.x.x.
Quote from: "brams"Unlike some/all of the other CPU boards for Wallstreets, Wegener uses the original Apple CPU board and puts on a new CPU. iirc only Newertech, Powerlogix & Sonnet did them for Wallstreet and they all used they're own PCB's, iirc the Bondi iMac and Lombard & Pismo where the first machines whereby the roms where on the CPU board and CPU upgrade companies could no longer use they're own PCB's. From that I assume the Wallstreet had the rom on the logicboard not the CPU daugherboard.
Quote from: "brams"Wegener also claims that you don't need any SW under OS X or 8/9 to enable cache, from that I assume Open Firmware inits the cache. Also the MPC 7410 is pin and bus compatilble with the MPC 750, so I'm guessing here all they do is take of the old MPC 750, put on the 7410 and change the multiplier from 4.5 to 7.5 and thats it.
Quote from: "brams"There is a cache enabler for Rhapsody 5.1, will that not work under 5.6?
Quote from: "brams"however my Mum was playing with it the other and remarked how well built it was but why had a I bought another slow old piece of junk. Thus if even my Mum thinks it's slow then it's a sorry state of affairs
Quote from: "brams"What make of WS G4 upgrade do you have, G4 is the logical choice as only Wegener seem to make them now, and the G4 costs less than a 500 G3.
Quote from: "RacerX"A G3 at 233 MHz with 512k of L2 is usually a pretty fast system... for older operating systems. If it seems that slow to you guys, then odds are that you have a G3/233 with no cache (those were pretty slow systems even when they were released).
Quote from: "RacerX"I don't know what you'll be doing in Rhapsody
Quote from: "RacerX"If you have the 233 with L2 cache, then all you'd need is more memory (and apps) to do just about anything in Rhapsody. The 233 without cache may drag a little... though I can't imagine it being that slow compared to a 604e at 210 MHz.